Comments on: Iran’s human rights record condemned by UN http://www.leithjb.net/blog/2007/11/21/irans-human-rights-record-condemned-by-un/ Personal diary of John Barnabas (aka Barney) Leith Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:25:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Barney http://www.leithjb.net/blog/2007/11/21/irans-human-rights-record-condemned-by-un/comment-page-1/#comment-13788 Barney Mon, 24 Dec 2007 09:07:52 +0000 http://www.leithjb.net/blog/2007/11/21/irans-human-rights-record-condemned-by-un/#comment-13788 Thank you, fulorts, for your comments. You are right that many are completely unaware of what is going on in Iran. Others turn a blind eye. Sadly, the desire to trade often wins out over human rights. Your blog should be salutary reading for those who would like to remain ignorant of the appalling abuses in Iran. I don't know if you are aware of <a href="http://www.bahairights.org/" rel="nofollow">this blog</a>, run by a Muslim in defence of the human rights of the Baha'is in Iran. It is well worth reading. Thank you, fulorts, for your comments. You are right that many are completely unaware of what is going on in Iran. Others turn a blind eye. Sadly, the desire to trade often wins out over human rights. Your blog should be salutary reading for those who would like to remain ignorant of the appalling abuses in Iran.

I don’t know if you are aware of this blog, run by a Muslim in defence of the human rights of the Baha’is in Iran. It is well worth reading.

]]> By: fulorts http://www.leithjb.net/blog/2007/11/21/irans-human-rights-record-condemned-by-un/comment-page-1/#comment-13787 fulorts Mon, 24 Dec 2007 07:45:18 +0000 http://www.leithjb.net/blog/2007/11/21/irans-human-rights-record-condemned-by-un/#comment-13787 Barney, thanks for covering the human rights abuse in Iran. Many in the world have no clue of the atrocities of the Iranian government. These resolutions ( 54 of them !) are great but have no value until UN forces countries to cut relations with Iran until the mend human rights records is mended there. Please also look at my blog which is a translation of some of the Iran human rights abuse news from persian websites. If you e-mail me news about Bahaii's human rights abuse in Iran, with link to the source website, I will put it there. http://iran-human-rights.blogspot.com Barney,
thanks for covering the human rights abuse in Iran. Many in the world have no clue of the atrocities of the Iranian government. These resolutions ( 54 of them !) are great but have no value until UN forces countries to cut relations with Iran until the mend human rights records is mended there. Please also look at my blog which is a translation of some of the Iran human rights abuse news from persian websites. If you e-mail me news about Bahaii’s human rights abuse in Iran, with link to the source website, I will put it there.
http://iran-human-rights.blogspot.com

]]> By: Barney http://www.leithjb.net/blog/2007/11/21/irans-human-rights-record-condemned-by-un/comment-page-1/#comment-13596 Barney Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:42:05 +0000 http://www.leithjb.net/blog/2007/11/21/irans-human-rights-record-condemned-by-un/#comment-13596 Thanks, Martijn, I have very much enjoyed this exchange of views and I do appreciate your kind comment about my blog. Thanks, Martijn, I have very much enjoyed this exchange of views and I do appreciate your kind comment about my blog.

]]> By: Martijn R (Amsterdam) http://www.leithjb.net/blog/2007/11/21/irans-human-rights-record-condemned-by-un/comment-page-1/#comment-13594 Martijn R (Amsterdam) Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:42:06 +0000 http://www.leithjb.net/blog/2007/11/21/irans-human-rights-record-condemned-by-un/#comment-13594 Yes, I can see your point, Barney. Let me finish this exchange by expressing my appreciation for your informative and thoughtful blog. Yes, I can see your point, Barney. Let me finish this exchange by expressing my appreciation for your informative and thoughtful blog.

]]> By: Barney http://www.leithjb.net/blog/2007/11/21/irans-human-rights-record-condemned-by-un/comment-page-1/#comment-13585 Barney Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:40:04 +0000 http://www.leithjb.net/blog/2007/11/21/irans-human-rights-record-condemned-by-un/#comment-13585 Once again you make some very good points, Martijn. I can see that there might well be merit in your line of argument. But one difficulty in arguing from analogy is in choosing the most useful or appropriate analogy. If one regards Iran as an intelligent child manipulator one might choose exactly the approach you advocate. If, on the other hand, one regards Iran (as I do) as a sociopathic adult, one would choose an entirely different line of action. One would do anything to avoid being drawn into Iran's inverted fantasy narrative, in which Iran is entirely blameless and everything is the fault of Western "Crusader" states. Once again you make some very good points, Martijn. I can see that there might well be merit in your line of argument. But one difficulty in arguing from analogy is in choosing the most useful or appropriate analogy. If one regards Iran as an intelligent child manipulator one might choose exactly the approach you advocate. If, on the other hand, one regards Iran (as I do) as a sociopathic adult, one would choose an entirely different line of action. One would do anything to avoid being drawn into Iran’s inverted fantasy narrative, in which Iran is entirely blameless and everything is the fault of Western “Crusader” states.

]]> By: Human rights at the UN General Assembly: country-specific or not? | Barnabas quotidianus http://www.leithjb.net/blog/2007/11/21/irans-human-rights-record-condemned-by-un/comment-page-1/#comment-13584 Human rights at the UN General Assembly: country-specific or not? | Barnabas quotidianus Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:33:08 +0000 http://www.leithjb.net/blog/2007/11/21/irans-human-rights-record-condemned-by-un/#comment-13584 [...] My photos on Flickr ← Iran’s human rights record condemned by UN [...] [...] My photos on Flickr ← Iran’s human rights record condemned by UN [...]

]]> By: Martijn Rep http://www.leithjb.net/blog/2007/11/21/irans-human-rights-record-condemned-by-un/comment-page-1/#comment-13583 Martijn Rep Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:03:07 +0000 http://www.leithjb.net/blog/2007/11/21/irans-human-rights-record-condemned-by-un/#comment-13583 Barney, I agree that the foreign policy of Iran is highly calculated and certainly not haphazard. Nevertheless, it is also unreasonable. Children are similarly intelligent manipulators! My comparison to a child was to see if that may yield a view of how best to deal with such obnoxious behaviour. I would personally try to resist settling for 'victory-and-defeat' model. Instead, on the one hand clearly point to unreasonable statements and consistently call for justice, one the other hand always be ready to respond to real concerns and 'human behaviour', even though these may be rare and hard to see. Yes I know it's idealistic :-) Barney, I agree that the foreign policy of Iran is highly calculated and certainly not haphazard. Nevertheless, it is also unreasonable. Children are similarly intelligent manipulators! My comparison to a child was to see if that may yield a view of how best to deal with such obnoxious behaviour. I would personally try to resist settling for ‘victory-and-defeat’ model. Instead, on the one hand clearly point to unreasonable statements and consistently call for justice, one the other hand always be ready to respond to real concerns and ‘human behaviour’, even though these may be rare and hard to see. Yes I know it’s idealistic :-)

]]> By: Barney http://www.leithjb.net/blog/2007/11/21/irans-human-rights-record-condemned-by-un/comment-page-1/#comment-13582 Barney Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:29:04 +0000 http://www.leithjb.net/blog/2007/11/21/irans-human-rights-record-condemned-by-un/#comment-13582 Sadly you are right, Owen. Human rights so often takes second place to other things that drive government policy. Sadly you are right, Owen. Human rights so often takes second place to other things that drive government policy.

]]> By: Owen Allen http://www.leithjb.net/blog/2007/11/21/irans-human-rights-record-condemned-by-un/comment-page-1/#comment-13581 Owen Allen Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:31:39 +0000 http://www.leithjb.net/blog/2007/11/21/irans-human-rights-record-condemned-by-un/#comment-13581 The nations who voted with or abstained from are equally cause for concern. Many nations are still willing to sell out human rights for: economic reasons, terrorist prevention, etc. The nations who voted with or abstained from are equally cause for concern. Many nations are still willing to sell out human rights for: economic reasons, terrorist prevention, etc.

]]> By: Barney http://www.leithjb.net/blog/2007/11/21/irans-human-rights-record-condemned-by-un/comment-page-1/#comment-13572 Barney Thu, 22 Nov 2007 17:16:16 +0000 http://www.leithjb.net/blog/2007/11/21/irans-human-rights-record-condemned-by-un/#comment-13572 Marco, thanks for posting these questions. The answers to your questions demonstrate Iran's utter hypocrisy. Marco, thanks for posting these questions. The answers to your questions demonstrate Iran’s utter hypocrisy.

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